In response to Stuart:
I don’t think it’s a good idea in general to confuse the user with the technical difference between data in memory and data that has a representation on disk.
What I would like to see in the long-term is:
* Every document is stored on disk (and regularly synced), even if it’s as anonymous files in a temporary directory. “Saving” a document should be as simple as giving it a name, which might then move the document to a permanent storing location. In the usual case, I believe that documents should be created first and then edited. I would see temporary documents mostly used for things like working image copies in Gimp.
* Very direct mapping between a document on disk and its corresponding window, e.g. it should be possible to manipulate a window in the same way you can manipulate the icon representation of a document (drag it to the web for uploading, and things like that). I’m not sure if the “icon in a window” approach of OS X is the best way to do it, but that would be one possibility. Nautilus implements something like this with the folder button in the status area for spatial windows, but there is no general way to do this right now.
Generally, creating, naming, moving and deleting files should be a breeze, wherever you are, so that the idea of creating a new document does not seem like a chore or give the user the feeling of creating a mess. Sensible names and places should be suggested and data stored in a way that does not crowd the data that the user cares about most. Also, accessing a document should not have to involve finding the document at its physical location, but still give the option in case the user would like to put it in a specific place for quick access (e.g. the Desktop, as long as it acts as a workspace).
Of course none of these ideas are new, so this is not a useful post in any way. But I think it’s a petty that we still don’t have the means to even allow applications to implement these kind of mechanics in a sensible way. Let’s think about it, and let’s solve it.
(This is, more or less, a continuation of the previous entry)
Jono writes enthusiastically about the CSS theme engine work, and I would love to share his excitement. But I just can’t see it making a big difference. Don’t get me wrong, Rob’s work is fantastic and might lead to some very interesting things. It also promises to serve as a more flexible kind of pixmap engine in the future, and the familiar CSS syntax is certainly nice for us developers (and those of us sitting on the fence).
What I don’t see is, how it will dramatically lower the barrier to entry for GNOME theming, or even lead to better themes. When you look at the web, spectacular designs are (by and large) not spectacular because of CSS attributes, but because CSS allowed web designers to precisely position… pixmap images. Positioning, however, is the least of our problems in Gtk theming (or rather, we don’t have a choice in the first place). CSS attributes alone won’t help us create breath-taking designs, so by and large it will be things like the border-image attribute (a standard feature of the pixmap engines), which will drive most visually exciting designs. I believe this is a good thing and the right way to go, but the important part here is not the CSS syntax in the GtkRC, but that we get back to embracing image-based themes. Arguably, a more stream-lined syntax would even be easier to deal with for artists, even if they have previous experience with CSS. Just because many people know CSS, doesn’t mean that artists and designers will suddenly enjoy writing code. In the ideal case, they should never have to touch the GtkRC in the first place.
The only way I could see CSS making a real difference is if we would enable absolute themes as kamstrup calls it, which I believe are very badly needed if we want to see some actual creative spark injected into Gtk theming. A UI designer working with a graphics designer should be able to create compelling designs, but right now this just isn’t happening due to a ridiculous amount of abstraction. It’s not possible to create ideal interfaces because it is impossible to know how the actual elements will look like with a random theme, and it’s not possible to create ideal designs, because you have no control over how your graphics end up being used by application layouts. That’s why our themes feel dull and repetitive compared to the competition. There is no lack of artistic talent or enthusiasm in the GNOME theming community, there are just too many technical limitations (and sadly, CSS will not get rid of any of them). Look around GNOME theming sites and you will see a huge amount of creative ideas and compelling designs, but pretty much everyone trying anything out of the ordinary is running into problems sooner or later. Some we have been able to work around with terrible hacks and special cases in the theme engines themselves (which made pixmap themes all but obsolete), others we just accept or cave in and go for more generic, bland designs.
What set Clearlooks apart in the beginning was, that it tried to break with the monotony in many ways. So our comboboxes actually started looking like unique widgets, instead of a button put besides a text entry (a simple feat that frustratingly enough requires a lot of hackery), and many similar details which had generally been ignored by Gtk themes. I believe we managed to close some of the gap between our GUI and the competition at the time, but now they are running circles around us again. And I strongly believe that the core reason for this is that they actually design their user interfaces, while we generate them.
So what is this generic approach actually getting us? Perhaps it is easier to ensure a minimal amount of consistency like this, and the biggest advantage is probably that changing a theme will always affect the entire (Gtk-)desktop . But 1000 generic themes don’t out-weight a single really well designed one, and if we aren’t able to reach the optimal result because of our support for generic themes, then I believe that our priorities are terribly misguided.
A Proposal / Summary
Summing up all my thoughts on the subject, this is how I would like the future of GNOME/free-desktop theming to be like (you are welcome to flame my opinion, but in that case if you skipped to the end, please do me the favour of reading the entire post):
Most of all, I would like to see a new theming API/engine with the following features:
The engine that comes closest to this already is probably the maemo engine, sapwood. It may well be the most advanced Gtk pixmap engine right now (aside from its made-for-tablet limitations), and I believe that some of its concepts should be explored for the desktop (e.g. caching and serving pixmaps from a separate process to conserve memory and increase performance).
Right, this wasn’t a proper summary. Again, these are just thoughts I want to get out there. I know that many will disagree violently, but I do believe that this is an approach worth trying. I hope I will get around to hack on things that make some of this possible, and I hope that future revisions of the theming API will tackle at least some of the most glaring problems. Let’s make GNOME styling fun again.
Before I start, let me get one thing off my chest. The progressbar animation in Ubuntu 8.10… It moves the wrong direction! Sadly the original default in Clearlooks was chosen from a poll, which had a subtle flaw: The progressbar wasn’t actually progressing, and that makes all the difference (as more people will hopefully realize now
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Thank you, this was important.
Some observations about current trends in GNOME themes:
So what could we do to support these trends? It is unreasonable to think that themers will come up with something truly remarkable, if we don’t provide them the means to implement popular concepts. I see this as a general problem in the GNOME art community, design generally seems to be seen as this thing that has nothing to do with programming. But providing a set of API functions and replaceable images just isn’t enough. Great design has to be a top to bottom effort. I’m not optimistic that we can ever rival OS X (or Windows even), if we don’t start talking to each other and take design seriously on all layers.
That said, here would be some thoughts:
I planned to write more, but this is already getting quite long (and I tired), so I will break it up into two posts. I will go more into my reasons for some of the more controversial thoughts and add some more thoughts about theming in general.
I am aware that this must look like armchair-criticism, but I am mostly just trying to express the various thoughts I’ve had in my head for a while now. I fully intend to make up for it in the near future with some actual work.